@zpower Chicago, IL

Does anyone know why f1 and indycar design keeps diverging? there's only one optimal shape, right?

9:57AM Fri, June 01 2012

@breathlesstao

Generally speaking. But take a look at the tracks and also what's inside the cars, you'll see the differences there too.

9:59AM Fri, June 01 2012

@Tim_Stevens ALB

Indy has new regs to cover the wheels this year & prevent wheel-to-wheel crashes. F1 regs changed the shape of the nose section.

9:59AM Fri, June 01 2012

@drewbam Jet City, USA

its not about optimizing the ideal car shape so much as it is about optimizing within the particular rules of the series.

9:59AM Fri, June 01 2012

@zpower Chicago, IL

ah, yeah, that new rear section is really bizarre.

10:00AM Fri, June 01 2012

@gepeto42 iPhone: 45.5036...

rules and R&D $$$

10:00AM Fri, June 01 2012

@PaulOBrien

but teams aren't allowed to make the perfect design, they have to make cars within the technical constraints of the series.

10:00AM Fri, June 01 2012

@Det_Conan_Kudo Somewhere solving a case...

I believe so. Probably for stupid legal reasons or whatnot. There's always background legal wrangling going on...

10:00AM Fri, June 01 2012

@andref1989

does anyone know why a logical persons watches Indy and not formula 1?

10:00AM Fri, June 01 2012

@cconover

my guess is it has to do with the rules each org creates. Also, the type of racing in each series is pretty different.

10:00AM Fri, June 01 2012

@mrcfield Lichfield

they’re bound by regulations as to the designs

10:01AM Fri, June 01 2012

@Tim_DelucaSmith

for F1 it's largely down to regulation changes by the FIA (chassis design, tyres etc), and design around new components.

10:01AM Fri, June 01 2012

@Tim_Stevens ALB

Yup, def is. But supposedly it's already saved some nasty crashes. Haven't had time to watch any races, unfortunately.

10:02AM Fri, June 01 2012

@NovyxKrael Portland, OR

I’m fairly certain different shapes are more optimal for certain conditions. Cornering sharpness, overall top speed, total weight…

10:03AM Fri, June 01 2012

@lmc981 Rome

Different regulations and different kind of races

10:05AM Fri, June 01 2012

@Godzilla07

They're two different beasts. F1 changes from regulations and Indy didn't have a new car for years because incompetent management.

10:05AM Fri, June 01 2012

@nwerneck São Paulo, SP, Brazil

Different power and speed settings should lead to different shapes... Also different tracks, etc. Not the same thing at all.

10:06AM Fri, June 01 2012

@juuuso New York

Different rulebooks. F1 has way more aerodynamic intricacies in it.

10:06AM Fri, June 01 2012

@atthefalcon Cork, Ireland

Probably because the regulations in either code dictate most of theshape of the cars, and the regs are diverging.

10:09AM Fri, June 01 2012

@IndefiniteBen Bournemouth, UK

Different regulations and amounts of money to spend! I think at least...

10:10AM Fri, June 01 2012

@d0mth0ma5 London, England

Because they aren't designing the most efficient car, they're designing the most efficient car defined by differing regulations.

11:15AM Fri, June 01 2012

@Gregz0r

Different restrictions on chassis/wing dimensions lead to different solutions.

11:17AM Fri, June 01 2012

@toplaff Galway, Ireland

Different Regulations. Also, different tyres and engines need different aero profiles to make the best trade-off.

11:19AM Fri, June 01 2012

@profernity

Different regulations? F1 regs dictated by 'increasing efficiency' + DRS for more (manipulated) passing moves = ugly step nose.

11:44AM Fri, June 01 2012

@Encryption

they’re each doing very different things. There is one optimal shape but that shape differs between them :)

12:11PM Fri, June 01 2012

@nickdube Regina, SK, Canada

size of engine determines shape. Tho the aero should remain similar. Could be cost per drag too high

12:29PM Fri, June 01 2012

@kenjaydub Chicago

you would think so, but maybe the types of tracks they race on have significant differences

2:47PM Fri, June 01 2012

@philrlee Manchester, UK

@Tim_Stevens The current F1 shape evolved from rule changes to raise the nose and eliminate the blown diffuser.

3:18PM Fri, June 01 2012

@philrlee Manchester, UK

@zpower Follow @ScarbsF1 for excellent commentary on F1 design.

3:20PM Fri, June 01 2012

@Tim_Stevens ALB

@zpower Been following him for ages :)

3:39PM Fri, June 01 2012

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Does anyone know why f1 and indycar design keeps diverging? there's only one optimal shape, right?

Generally speaking. But take a look at the tracks and also what's inside the cars, you'll see the differences there too.

Indy has new regs to cover the wheels this year & prevent wheel-to-wheel crashes. F1 regs changed the shape of the nose section.

its not about optimizing the ideal car shape so much as it is about optimizing within the particular rules of the series.

ah, yeah, that new rear section is really bizarre.

rules and R&D $$$

but teams aren't allowed to make the perfect design, they have to make cars within the technical constraints of the series.

I believe so. Probably for stupid legal reasons or whatnot. There's always background legal wrangling going on...

does anyone know why a logical persons watches Indy and not formula 1?

my guess is it has to do with the rules each org creates. Also, the type of racing in each series is pretty different.

they’re bound by regulations as to the designs

for F1 it's largely down to regulation changes by the FIA (chassis design, tyres etc), and design around new components.

Yup, def is. But supposedly it's already saved some nasty crashes. Haven't had time to watch any races, unfortunately.

I’m fairly certain different shapes are more optimal for certain conditions. Cornering sharpness, overall top speed, total weight…

Different regulations and different kind of races

They're two different beasts. F1 changes from regulations and Indy didn't have a new car for years because incompetent management.

Different power and speed settings should lead to different shapes... Also different tracks, etc. Not the same thing at all.

Different rulebooks. F1 has way more aerodynamic intricacies in it.

Probably because the regulations in either code dictate most of theshape of the cars, and the regs are diverging.

Different regulations and amounts of money to spend! I think at least...

Because they aren't designing the most efficient car, they're designing the most efficient car defined by differing regulations.

Different restrictions on chassis/wing dimensions lead to different solutions.

Different Regulations. Also, different tyres and engines need different aero profiles to make the best trade-off.

Different regulations? F1 regs dictated by 'increasing efficiency' + DRS for more (manipulated) passing moves = ugly step nose.

they’re each doing very different things. There is one optimal shape but that shape differs between them :)

size of engine determines shape. Tho the aero should remain similar. Could be cost per drag too high

you would think so, but maybe the types of tracks they race on have significant differences

@Tim_Stevens The current F1 shape evolved from rule changes to raise the nose and eliminate the blown diffuser.

@zpower Follow @ScarbsF1 for excellent commentary on F1 design.

@zpower Been following him for ages :)

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Does anyone know why f1 and indycar design keeps diverging? there's only one optimal shape, right?

Generally speaking. But take a look at the tracks and also what's inside the cars, you'll see the differences there too.

Indy has new regs to cover the wheels this year &amp; prevent wheel-to-wheel crashes. F1 regs changed the shape of the nose section.

its not about optimizing the ideal car shape so much as it is about optimizing within the particular rules of the series.

ah, yeah, that new rear section is really bizarre.

rules and R&amp;D $$$

but teams aren't allowed to make the perfect design, they have to make cars within the technical constraints of the series.

I believe so. Probably for stupid legal reasons or whatnot. There's always background legal wrangling going on...

does anyone know why a logical persons watches Indy and not formula 1?

my guess is it has to do with the rules each org creates. Also, the type of racing in each series is pretty different.

they’re bound by regulations as to the designs

for F1 it's largely down to regulation changes by the FIA (chassis design, tyres etc), and design around new components.

Yup, def is. But supposedly it's already saved some nasty crashes. Haven't had time to watch any races, unfortunately.

I’m fairly certain different shapes are more optimal for certain conditions. Cornering sharpness, overall top speed, total weight…

Different regulations and different kind of races

They're two different beasts. F1 changes from regulations and Indy didn't have a new car for years because incompetent management.

Different power and speed settings should lead to different shapes... Also different tracks, etc. Not the same thing at all.

Different rulebooks. F1 has way more aerodynamic intricacies in it.

Probably because the regulations in either code dictate most of theshape of the cars, and the regs are diverging.

Different regulations and amounts of money to spend! I think at least...

Because they aren't designing the most efficient car, they're designing the most efficient car defined by differing regulations.

Different restrictions on chassis/wing dimensions lead to different solutions.

Different Regulations. Also, different tyres and engines need different aero profiles to make the best trade-off.

Different regulations? F1 regs dictated by 'increasing efficiency' + DRS for more (manipulated) passing moves = ugly step nose.

they’re each doing very different things. There is one optimal shape but that shape differs between them :)

size of engine determines shape. Tho the aero should remain similar. Could be cost per drag too high

you would think so, but maybe the types of tracks they race on have significant differences

@Tim_Stevens The current F1 shape evolved from rule changes to raise the nose and eliminate the blown diffuser.

@zpower Follow @ScarbsF1 for excellent commentary on F1 design.

@zpower Been following him for ages :)

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Indy has new regs to cover the wheels this year & prevent wheel-to-wheel crashes. F1 regs changed the shape of the nose section.

rules and R&D $$$